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Post by td on May 8, 2005 16:58:44 GMT 10
Prinia's right; "interesting discussion taking place which is all for the good", and we are all entitled to our own opinions. If we all thought the same and agreed on everything this world had to offer.....well, it would be a tad boring don't you think? Let's just wait and see what is set up, how it is run, what is offered etc etc before we jump the gun speculating what might be. One thing IS for certain......Guy's heart is in the right spot.
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Post by What the on May 8, 2005 16:59:49 GMT 10
Surprise, surprise, Guy does know what he is talking about. So does Gary. Oh? have they had abortions then? Have their girlfriends? No doubt about that but how about they work with MEN to reduce out of wedlock pregnancies?
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Post by yeah right on May 8, 2005 17:05:10 GMT 10
I'm not happy with the Hillsong churh After few days locked away, they had abortion idea planted into his head. I wonder
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Post by yes on May 8, 2005 17:17:23 GMT 10
Sometimes Guy's naivety is endearing. Other times not. That's it in a nutshell.
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Post by Not sure on May 8, 2005 17:23:36 GMT 10
Given Guy's anti-abortion stance, I'm just wondering what would happen to a newly pregnant woman who went to the clinic (assuming it goes ahead), has some counselling, receives a lot of information and decides to have an abortion. Will Guy's clinic then support her in finding a reputable doctor or medical team to perform the procedure? Or will the support only exist for those who make the "right" decision according to Guy's philosophy??
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Post by wait and see on May 8, 2005 17:40:40 GMT 10
Given Guy's anti-abortion stance, I'm just wondering what would happen to a newly pregnant woman who went to the clinic (assuming it goes ahead), has some counselling, receives a lot of information and decides to have an abortion. Will Guy's clinic then support her in finding a reputable doctor or medical team to perform the procedure? Or will the support only exist for those who make the "right" decision according to Guy's philosophy?? Guy's heart is in the right place...I am sure (the word FAITH keeps popping in my head). Also, I don't know his full beliefs on the matter as I have never had a conversation with him about it. But I do know that you can think that abortion is not necessarily the best thing to do. I believe that myself. But, I don't believe that it is my place to tell another woman what to do. It is her will and choice. You can extend a hand, provide a shoulder, and be responsible for her as a friend. I find it hard to tell someone what to do with their body. But, I would be there as a friend to talk things through, for counseling (as a friend), help her find info on the consequences (either way), and help her during the aftermath (either way). Could this not be the case with this proposed center? But as TD said....we really don't know. But, in any case...I think debate is a good thing. Good to see the differing opinions. Peace, Reg
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Post by prinia on May 8, 2005 17:42:08 GMT 10
If I were to join say a Save the Children organisation which specifically was looking after a particular Island off the coast of Africa.....
are you advising that if you disagree with my thinking, that you think I should "save the children" of another part of the world - are you advising that I should not do it at all. Are you saying you know best, and that I should put all thoughts of what I wish to do out of my head.
.....That only parents know how to save children. That being a non-parent I shouldn't get involved. That I know nothing about working towards assisting these people on that island near Africa?
No - I know that's not the item under discussion - but I see very strong similarities here.
It should be discussion only - what Guy and Gary, and Nellie wish to do - they are doing ...
Its a contraversial subject, and there is contraversial discussion here.
But in the long run, it's what Guy wants to do with his life and I personally support him in doing what he believes is best. I may not always agree with him - or you - but I do believe in the freedom to do what you believe is right, (terrorists aside of course).
Its all choices again.. and discussion
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Post by joes on May 8, 2005 17:47:00 GMT 10
I think that we need to give Guy and Gary a little credit for making their own decisions and not assume that they have been brainwashed by the Hillsong church.
I tend to agree though that it is an unusual area to get involved in and personally think that they would be far more affective advocating in another area. I am really quite worried about this. Lots of assumptions have already been made in this Guy friendly space and I think he is open for slaughter from various community sectors and is this really necessary??
Yes Frogie I think that society does promote that it is the women's fault for an unwanted pregnancy but I dont see this as coming through in this article although I think a lot of people will agree with you. The fact is though that it is primarily women who sholder the burden of unplanned pregnancies no matter which way they choose to go.
Just to reframe the women's business thing a bit ( and I do support women supporting women), it is also good to see men who are respectful of women showing some support, caring and responsibility for the consequences that women face with unplanned pregnancies. My hope too is that Guy and Gary's role will not be as spokespersons on this issue but provide backing only.
All of us are influence by our own experiences and beliefs on this issue but the bottom line is being able to help people where they are at, even if that goes against all that we believe in personally sometimes.
Unplanned pregnancies and abortion can be an extremely difficult time with deep emotional scars for some women and as Reggie said no matter if we are male or female or are for or against abortion we should all care about that.
So please Guy and Gary back off a little, thanks for caring and supporting and loving but pleaaase be careful here.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2005 17:49:58 GMT 10
I'm not happy with the Hillsong churh After few days locked away, they had abortion idea planted into his head. I wonder I really don't think Guy is someone who is easily influenced by others. I think he will follow his own beliefs and values and do what he thinks is right accordingly. If, as someone who was virtually no-one in the music industry, he could stand up to BMG and get the songs he wanted on his first album, then I'm sure no church (or political party) is going to be able to plant ideas in his head that are contrary to his own values.
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Post by forgive my cynicism on May 8, 2005 17:54:34 GMT 10
Oh Oh! Sounds like a sure fire way to recruit vulnerable people and swell the ranks at the same time to me. I'm sure both Guy and Gary would be unaware of any 'Hidden Agenda' though. Hope I'm wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by no on May 8, 2005 18:00:19 GMT 10
So please Guy and Gary back off a little, thanks for caring and supporting and loving but pleaaase be careful here. Ouch!!!
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Post by frogo still wondering on May 8, 2005 18:02:29 GMT 10
If, as someone who was virtually no-one in the music industry, he could stand up to BMG and get the songs he wanted on his first album, then I'm sure no church (or political party) is going to be able to plant ideas in his head that are contrary to his own values. yes but sweetpea they planted the ideas in the first place. we could go around in circles here couldn't we.?
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Post by reg to prinia on May 8, 2005 18:04:53 GMT 10
If I were to join say a Save the Children organisation which specifically was looking after a particular Island off the coast of Africa..... are you advising that if you disagree with my thinking, that you think I should "save the children" of another part of the world - are you advising that I should not do it at all. Are you saying you know best, and that I should put all thoughts of what I wish to do out of my head. Ms. Prinia, I am not sure if your post is directed to me. But, if you are what I am saying is this: I don't think that abortion is necessarily the best thing to do. I don't feel comfortable telling other women what to do with their bodies, however. I believe it is their choice, their will. Yes, I know this seems contradictory. It is something that I grapple with. Something that I have actually been praying about for some reason. (So it is a bit weird that this whole issue has come up now.) But, I have been dealing with so many issues as my own will and faith are changing...so in that contaxt it is not strange. I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE ANOTHER. EVERYBODY. I have big shoulders and I would offer it to a friend, or a stranger NO MATTER what choice that they made regarding this issue. This is what I am saying. Peace, Reg
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Post by frogo too lazy to log in on May 8, 2005 18:06:38 GMT 10
Oh Oh! Sounds like a sure fire way to recruit vulnerable people and swell the ranks at the same time to me. forgive me for laughing at this! hehehe! i agree with that
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Post by yeah right on May 8, 2005 18:06:47 GMT 10
I really don't think Guy is someone who is easily influenced by others. I think he will follow his own beliefs and values and do what he thinks is right accordingly. His belief is mainly influeced by the Hillsong Church.
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