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Post by nanouk on May 8, 2005 12:28:57 GMT 10
But he also made it clear that he is against telling people what to do. I think it will mainly be educational. It did say he wants to help women make educated decisions and offer a support network not only for those who are considering abortion but also for those who have had them and find themselves in need of support.
I think it's not a bad idea. A little controversial perhaps, but Guy has never been afraid to show anyone what he's about.
Good luck to him and Gary.
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Post by joes on May 8, 2005 12:30:44 GMT 10
Well I think Guy has just got himself involved in a very emotive issue here. I dont know if this will be good career wise but then he is not only driven by his career.
The way I read it is that the clinic is about informed choices for women and respecting those decisions no matter what they are. Working with women in this situation myself at times I do see the turmoil that some women have in making these decisions and the aftermath of making decisions. There are definitly two sides to this picture as there are as many different belief systems that women have. But it would require workers who are trained, sensitive and aware of their own value systems in my opinion.
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Post by ambs on May 8, 2005 12:34:26 GMT 10
Personally, I am pro-choice as I'm totally not into telling people what to do... its a very personal issue. However, I admire Guy for having the courage to persue such an emotive venture as this. It really shows that he has an incredible social conscience and is willing to make "bad career moves" in order to help other people.
I personally think its a great idea. As Guy said, the clinic is not going to be there to stop people from getting abortions but rather to educate people. Education is the key to freedom... so I think it's a great thing.
Those are just my thoughts
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Post by SoCrazyInLoveWithGUY on May 8, 2005 12:41:49 GMT 10
Both Guy & Gary belong to Churches that are strongly anti-abortion. Therefore the education and choices offered by a clinic funded by them will undoubtably be anti-abortion.
There are so many other positive ways that Guy and Gary could influence young people on this issue. I truly hope they consider focusing on the role & responsibilities of young men when it comes to the issue of preventing unwanted pregnancies.
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Post by joes on May 8, 2005 12:46:13 GMT 10
Yep
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Post by Elle on May 8, 2005 12:59:01 GMT 10
Think you'll find it will be a very sound counselling centre.
I have yet to meet someone that's had an abortion that's gotten over it - that's for starters.
There are so many problems in this area that is not covered by people simply saying - it's women's business. There's a lot more to it than that, because while they go ahead and make a decision, they are uninformed of the long term consequences.
Surprise, surprise, Guy does know what he is talking about. So does Gary. (even if they have been slightly misquoted, I can assured you their motives are pure).
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Post by steppin out on May 8, 2005 13:07:18 GMT 10
Well,
I am not a bit surprised. I will say this: none of us know, yet, the ends and outs of this project. But, one thing that I would pray for is that it be run BY A WOMAN. And, prefererably one who has gone thru her own experience.
I don't see a problem with counseling and providing information. If it is done in a responsible manner. The part of the article which says "Along with one of his singers, Gary Pinto, previously of group CDB, he wants to establish and help fund a centre which would inform women of the CONSEQUENCES of abortion." reads a bit interesting. But again, I would like to see the approach. What do they think the consequences to be?
Additionally, whatever your position, we are all responsible for one another. To me, it is scary that the world has taken on a new set of values because of "changing times". WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OTHER. THAT is a constant. So, ANY program, such as this, should have this basic tenet woven into its structural foundation. My believe, my opinion.
**For example, what about the MEN who are involved in getting the women pregnant? Will the counselling center offer them advice and counseling too? Teaching men to be men? Will there be programs which will teach them to be responsible? Any BOY can get someone pregnant. It takes a MAN to raise and socialize a child properly.
**Will the counseling center provide information and advise to the women who decide to keep their babies on such following issues: 1) where they can seek help to care for their children, 2) where the can go to pre and post natal courses, 3) where they can go should they need monetary assistance, 4) where they can take early childhood education courses, 5) where the can go to seek on-going counseling for the stress that often comes with rearing a child (especially if you are on your own), 6) where they can go for job counseling services, or 7) where the can go for counselling in regard to educational enhancement?
I don't think that it is enough to "...establish and help fund a centre which would inform women of the CONSEQUENCES of abortion" without thinking through ( and being RESPONSIBLE for providing information) the CONSEQUENCES that surround child-rearing. That is the whole point after all, isn't it? Giving healthy and beautiful children the BEST chance in life. Providing for them all of the "goodness" that we possibly can.
And, I want to say this: I KNOW that both Guy and Gary will take ALOT of heat from this venture. I am going to pray that they have strength and ask that GOD guides them properly. It is a FAITH CHOICE. And in the world that we live in today....those types of choices/decisions are the ones which leave those who make them embroiled in heated and harsh controversy. Against the tide.
Peace,
Reg
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Post by reg to elle on May 8, 2005 13:15:31 GMT 10
Think you'll find it will be a very sound counselling centre. Yep. I believe that to be true as well, Elle. I KNOW it to be true. BUT Guy and Gary: Get the men involved and provide information on what to do AFTERWARDS. (just my humble thoughts) WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE ANOTHER. Peace, Reg
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Post by Elle on May 8, 2005 13:27:31 GMT 10
This is a very sensitive subject which I really don't think we can cover properly - they are not here to answer for themselves for a start.
I am sure they would be working with a very sound team, in whatever area they are being involved in, on such a sensitive area in men and women, and childrens' lives.
They care, that's what counts. Please let's not rush and judge them.
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Post by frogo worried on May 8, 2005 13:43:15 GMT 10
I wonder if the 'family first' party planted the seed of this idea in Guy's head. RELIGION and abortion are clearly heavily on the political agenda. Tonight there is a programme on abc about the Labor party realising the important role a religious n
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Post by for elle on May 8, 2005 14:00:01 GMT 10
This is a very sensitive subject which I really don't think we can cover properly - they are not here to answer for themselves for a start. I am sure they would be working with a very sound team, in whatever area they are being involved in, on such a sensitive area in men and women, and childrens' lives. They care, that's what counts. Please let's not rush and judge them. I agree with you. I KNOW they care. For sure. I am just going to stick my neck out here on the chopping block...but I don't believe abortion to be the best thing. MY OPINION. But, I also know what it is like to be raised by a divorced single mother....without a father around. That is why I think educating men is imperative. And that is why I think providing follow thru imformation for women on where to go for support is a neccessity. My Mommy is very strong...and her believe in GOD is strong. We "got by" ALOT on this. But it was not easy for her. No judgement from me on the two G's. Just thoughts and wishes based on my own my beliefs...borne out of my own life as a child...without a responsible father. FAITH CHOICES. I am, as I said, going to pray for them. And the clinic. Yep. Peace, Reg
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Post by Unbelievable on May 8, 2005 14:34:57 GMT 10
I am shocked at some of these responses. Isn't SOME help, better than NO help. They are not the government setting up a program which should cover everything mentioned above. However I am sure they will do the best they can, which is better than nothing. As for those of you who say this is womens business or it will be nice to have a male shoulder to lean on, I hardly think Guy or Gary will be there personally, I think they will just be responsible for getting this thing going and seek the appropriate people to run it. What if...... G&G were discussing a friend who had gone through this with dreaful consequences all because that person did not receive enough advice and they decided they would like to do something to help people in that situation. If that were the case, I say good on em for acting instead of just being all talk. As for the political agenda theory. Well yeah, that does worry me a bit.
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Post by frogo worried on May 8, 2005 14:41:01 GMT 10
I wonder if the 'family first' party planted the seed of this idea in Guy's head. RELIGION and abortion are clearly heavily on the political agenda. Tonight there is a programme on abc about the Labor party realising the important role a religious n ( my computer played up and was making it very difficult to type. I think it knows that what I want to say will be controversial). It seems to have fixed itself now, so I will continue). I wonder if the 'family first' party planted the seed of this idea in Guy's head. RELIGION and abortion are clearly heavily on the political agenda. Tonight there is a programme on abc about the Labor party realising the important role a religious stance could play in winning votes. Abortion has already been raised recently as a topic in politics.
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Post by reg to unbelievable on May 8, 2005 15:04:50 GMT 10
I am shocked at some of these responses. Isn't SOME help, better than NO help. They are not the government setting up a program which should cover everything mentioned above. However I am sure they will do the best they can, which is better than nothing. Well, it is a sensitive subject. We are people and we have opinions. I don't express mine ALOT here on Proboards. But I will on this issue. And, no they aren't the government. The are two young men who are steeped in The SPIRIT. And, so, to me, it would be a good thing for them to deal with the issues that I said above. Why? Because they have Faith and they have Trust in GOD. And THAT would take those types of things that I mentioned a very long way. I based alot of what I said on my "experience". Childhood experience. But I KNOW (and I have a wonderful woman of GOD who counsels me) that FAITH is greater that ANY experience that I may have had. AND I HAVE FAITH in those two young men...because GOD works within them. And simply...I HAVE FAITH. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. And their FAITH is far greater than ANYTHING that I can fathom at this point in my own journey. Why should such issues (teaching men to be responsible, passing on info to mothers who need counseling after giving birth, etc) be left only to the government when we are humans who care about each other? When we are humans that have, and feel, a responsibility towards the children that grace our earth? Why? FAITH. I believe that it will be okay and that you shouldn't worry. Peace, Reg
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Post by thespark on May 8, 2005 15:12:12 GMT 10
I actually freaked this morming when i saw this post. I told my family who were all so shocked- which matched my feelings. I was worried everyone was going to praise this thing cuz guy was doing it and not see implications.
The full article cleared it up so thank you for posting!
I agree with SOC and Reg that it should be run by a woman.
But also agree with SOC that the time and effort should be put somewhere else.
I was actually thinking of something more in his field...of music/ entertainment to get kids off the streets....
Use what your known for to help ....not something your not. When did Guy have an abortion??
The World Vision trip sounds great- what a bummer i didnt win last year (top 20!!GGRRRR!)- i would of gotten to go with him!!! Darn it!!!
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