bazza
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Post by bazza on Oct 27, 2003 23:45:09 GMT 10
imagine if this was used to vote in a president or party. the organisers should have foreseen this. they are to blame for this now farcical contest. australian idol and channel 10, you can shove it.
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Post by TOT on Oct 28, 2003 1:28:26 GMT 10
How naive! The ability to place multiple votes does not make the competition any less fair because you can place multiple votes for any of the contestants - its still a level playing field. This isn't a political election...we aren't voting them to be our elected representatives. This is a commercial venture in which they are trying to make as much money from as possible. At over 50 cents a call, of course they are going to allow multiple votes!!
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bazza
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Post by bazza on Oct 28, 2003 2:10:46 GMT 10
so its about telsta not talent? you are the king of all morons.
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Post by TOT on Oct 28, 2003 10:57:52 GMT 10
Hey, attack the issue not the poster sunshine...you may come across as having at least some intelligence then.
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Post by re tot on Oct 28, 2003 11:44:43 GMT 10
i have. i'm truthseeker too and check my inputs. that is both. truthseeker and truthseeker too. let's stop trading insults and agree to disagree.
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Post by re truthseeker on Oct 28, 2003 13:02:38 GMT 10
i agree with him. if 10000 people vote once for a and one person votes 10001 times for b b wins, it,s wide open to manipulation for the deeper pocket. as for tot you are up yourself and probably dont enen watch the show. get lost......
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Post by katy on Oct 28, 2003 13:08:23 GMT 10
this is a hard one. I do agree with truthseeker is some aspects becoz some kinds of people are more likely to vote more than once, for example obsessed girls with Millsy (come on how many of you millsy fans voted for him more than once at a time). In addition it doesnt show the true amount of people who support the singer, for example if 50 people voted for singer X but 3 people voted for singer Y 20 times each, it doesnt mean that singer Y is better becoz X had a 50 people voting, Y only has 3- ya get me.
It should be just a one vote per person thing but then again all the companies care about is who gets the most money at the end of the day. so yeah i agree with truthseeker.
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Post by Z on Oct 28, 2003 13:34:47 GMT 10
If 50 people voted for singer X but 3 people voted for singer Y 20 times each...
This simply means X has support from 50 people who only want to spend 50c each, while Y has support from 3 people who don't mind spending 10 dollars each.
A record company would value Y, because Y supporters would probably buy all CDs (singles, albums, remixes, etc.) and merchandises by Y, whereas X supporters may buy X's single, but maybe not album, and definitely not merchandises.
This show is about Dicko's company finding a singer who can sell lots of CDs and earn truckloads of money for the company.
I can see Paulini or Guy supporters sometimes not buying certain singles because they don't like the sound of it. Millsy supporters, however, would probably buy anything and everything associated with him.
The AI system allowing multiple votes not only effectively finances the whole show, but also gives good indication as to which singer is likely to be a successful revenue earner.
I don't exactly like the system myself, but this is the reality of music business.
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Post by Barb on Oct 28, 2003 13:38:15 GMT 10
so its about telsta not talent? you are the king of all morons. Think about it for a moment - do you think they are having this comp just to find talent? I'm pretty sure they would not have Australian Idol if they werent making huge money whether it be through ratings or alliances with tel service providers. That is the ultimate goal if you ask me. |
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Post by re z on Oct 28, 2003 13:58:50 GMT 10
i must admit your point about multi calls financing the show is a valid one and had not occurred to me. i apologise to tot. you are the prince of all morons. if you think idol is not looking for talent you are wrong lets give them that. read hellfat shiranee and see what i'm talking about. they and their readers care. truthseeker.
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Post by Z on Oct 28, 2003 15:42:59 GMT 10
I have absolutely no doubt that many people here want the true talent to become the Australian Idol. I have no problem with that. In fact, that's what I would like to see.
However, this is a commercial entertainment show sponsored by a record company.
I was only quoting Dicko when I said this show is about "spending a lot of money on someone who (his record company thinks) can sell a lot of records", just in case you missed it.
As all judges repeatedly stated, we are now on the "business end" of the show.
Paulini probably has the strongest voice. But that's not the only thing an "idol" would need.
In fact, all remaining contestants probably have a "sufficient" level of singing talent to the satisfaction of Dicko's company.
In the music industry, the capacity to sing well in a live performance is only one of many properties required. Truth is, many people buy CDs based on radio play, video clips, etc. rather than live performance. A person with a "sufficient" level of singing talent can be easily made to sound superb with modern recording technology.
So, as far as singing talent goes, all contestants have cleared the hurdle.
What the record company wants to gauge is which contestant has a fully committed support base. That's more unpredictable and difficult to control.
And Paulini failed that test last night.
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Post by Millsy's Hot! on Oct 28, 2003 15:54:53 GMT 10
There's nothing wrong with the system.. if you love a contestant that much then you have the right to vote as many times as possible.. I'm with TOT on this one... and seeing as you dont like the system, how would YOU make it fair, coz you can't STOP people voting more then once if it's phone votes..
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Post by Barb on Oct 28, 2003 16:05:35 GMT 10
i must admit your point about multi calls financing the show is a valid one and had not occurred to me. i apologise to tot. you are the prince of all morons. if you think idol is not looking for talent you are wrong lets give them that. read hellfat shiranee and see what i'm talking about. they and their readers care. truthseeker. You are one defensive guy!! Being abused as a king of morons is a totally uncalled for response to my opinion. If you can't debate a point without seeing it as an attack on yourself you shouldn't be here. And I don't feel a need to refer to other posts -if you can't put together a rebuttal without trying to muster support from other posts then there is no point me talking to you. |
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Post by sorry z on Oct 28, 2003 16:19:17 GMT 10
you fail to see two things. guy i 3 times the performer compared to shannon and cosima. we can't follow your credo that they are equally marketable. check hellfat shiranee and those that can spell. also check centrebet where guy is odds on favourite and the others eachway odds,the big boys know... secondly both cosima and shannon were lowest two the previous sunday. watch the judges from now on i don't think they will hold back next week. ...... millsy fan i was referring to the way the system was set up. they could have elected a panel. but as z so wisely pointed out this was a better way to finance it. truthseeker.
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Post by re barb on Oct 28, 2003 16:26:06 GMT 10
good lord did you read what he said. i have postings allover the page just read them. particularly "what would the world think if we chose a dud"
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