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Post by Dilemma on May 26, 2004 18:58:55 GMT 10
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Post by frogo on May 26, 2004 19:02:35 GMT 10
It was in this magazine in America of some sort, that Simon Cowell is stating that Diana is going 2 win, only cuz he wants all of the Fantasia fans 2 go crazy and vote 4 her... and plus!- its obvious..... Simons winks and everythin..... he so wants fantasia 2 win you read my mind - I just saw ET and simon poured pop corn on Paula's head - what would you like to pour over his? I'll go first - yaks pee
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Post by kayti2200 on May 26, 2004 20:30:24 GMT 10
you read my mind - I just saw ET and simon poured pop corn on Paula's head - what would you like to pour over his? I'll go first - yaks pee I just watched today's edition of E! News and they interviewed the judges, asking who they thought should win. Randy said, "I'll tell you who deserves to win, and that's Fantasia." Paula said, "I won't even try to guess who will win; it's up to the American public." Simon said, "Diana needs this competition. You heard Clive Davis - he would sign Fantasia up if he saw her in a club; she's set. Diana needs to be the winner to have a career, especially being 16. But I think we both agree who should win and that name begins with an F."
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Post by Idol Obsessed on May 26, 2004 22:15:44 GMT 10
I just watched today's edition of E! News and they interviewed the judges, asking who they thought should win. Randy said, "I'll tell you who deserves to win, and that's Fantasia." Paula said, "I won't even try to guess who will win; it's up to the American public." Simon said, "Diana needs this competition. You heard Clive Davis - he would sign Fantasia up if he saw her in a club; she's set. Diana needs to be the winner to have a career, especially being 16. But I think we both agree who should win and that name begins with an F." I saw this too its ridiculous I think. I mean sure the judge's are entitled to their opinion but imagine how Diana feels! If she wins (and I hope she does!) she is going to feel like she doesn't deserve it and thats not fair on her. I hope she wins and sells sooooo many albums that it'll have to shut Simon up or I else if she doesn't win I hope she gets signed and sells more albums than the winner Then that'll chop Simon right up! ;D By the way for those interested on how the the sing-off episode went, check out all-idol.com/ it will also have the songs available to download in the next couple of days.
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Post by superc on May 26, 2004 22:46:41 GMT 10
I wouldn't trust the opinion of the guy on that site.. he absolutely hates Fantasia. The judges were horribly biased from what I read. Poor Diana. If she wins, she'll have to work with Simon.
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Post by Hippo on May 26, 2004 23:59:31 GMT 10
Diana almost as good as gone .The winners song, a gospel type of song is more suited for Fantasia .
Quote 'Diana sang the new single "I Believe" co-written by Tamyra. It was good, but it took every ounce of strength she had and she slid things around notewise in a few spots. The judges said she was great, but Simon said she was too young to have experienced the lyrics about climbing mountains.' So how come I wasnt surprised Fantasia then aced it and finished it off with some tears for effect. Simon said to Fantasia thats your acceptance speech.
* Yawn ..I better get back to my pool.*
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Post by Hippo on May 27, 2004 0:26:34 GMT 10
oh and a little bit more. 'Diana was interviewed on an Atlanta station about her problems in "Don't Cry Out Loud." She said that she couldn't hear the music and tried to tell the producers (or whoever behind stage), but they just ignored her and continued with the song. She went on to say that she had to walk around throughout the song to try to find a good signal. As for the judges comments, she wanted to explain the situation, but her mic was cut off and the camera was switched off of her.'
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Post by reggieunlogged on May 27, 2004 7:33:51 GMT 10
Hey Guys,
Maybe it would be better if they made a policy that when they get to the final 2 then the judges are not supposed to say who their pick is. Dunno. Like Superc (Hey Superc) said if Diana wins she has to work with Simon. He obviously doesn't think she is as talented. That can't make her feel good.
I think Fantasia is more talented and deserves to win. But, the more I think about it... it would probably be better for her if she loses. Then she won't have to sing all of the stupid american idol songs and can do her own thang.
Diana does need this competition more. Fantasia will be set no matter what. In any case I wish luck. She is so young...I admire her for that. And what a bunch of idiots for not fixing her sound system.
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Post by Mark on May 27, 2004 10:01:25 GMT 10
I don't know if I'm over simplfying things, but do you think the judges are saying that Fantasia is better than Diana, because she is??
Within five seconds of her starting to sing in her heat of the top 32 (which was the first heat) I thought she was the winner, and this was without hearing anyone else. I think she offers a unique tone and just sounds really good. Sorry I don't have a musical background, but I know what I like.
I don't think Diana is bad. My opinion is that mostly she is pleasantly competant, but occasionally really nails a song and sounds great. If I was listening to the radio and a song of hers came on, I wouldn't switch stations, but I also wouldn't even consider buying her CD.
In my view Fantasia is a potential superstar, and Diana is OK, and the judges are responding to their performances in this manner.
I think its really simple.
Mark
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Post by superc on May 27, 2004 11:58:32 GMT 10
I don't know if I'm over simplfying things, but do you think the judges are saying that Fantasia is better than Diana, because she is?? I'm in agreement here. The judges are overpushing Fantasia because they think she is that good. Why would they bother pushing her if she's not that marketable in the pop scene (Diana), not adorable (Jasmine), not a stellar Whitney singer (La Toya), not got the sweet personality (George)? She has everything against her in terms of being a cash making machine, except what the judges and her fans see. I've downloaded the two versions of 'I Believe'. Both were great - I thought Fantasia sounded more Tina Turner and passionately earthy than anything, whereas Diana sounded pure and powerful. Fantasia's had more emotional depth and it comes purely from her background. It's an advantage that she's experienced more hardship in life because it comes out in her singing - whereas Diana's been pretty privileged, so it just lacks that rawness - plus Diana's style is more polished in general. Diana's sounds sort of professional, whereas Fantasia's is almost gutteral... and I love that. But there's a huge difference between a live performance and a recording. Diana will sound better on recording compared to her performance, and Fantasia will sound worse. I think Fantasia needs to be experienced live for the full impact. I believe (no pun intended ;D) that Fantasia's tears are real. It's the final 2 - they're singing about making their dreams come true... they're gonna feel it! I know how she feels because I'm a crybaby too - anything, sentiment (that's not too cheesy), a parting farewell, a beautiful song, Disney movies - I cry at anything. Camile was like that too, and it appears that Fantasia's a softy under her sass - plus she's 19. As for the judge's comments, I can see how they'd make Diana fans get all steamed up, but the only thing you can do is gag the judges or write hundreds of angry letters to Fox. But it's working against Fantasia anyway.. from what I've seen, the people who are ambivalent or have mild dislike for Fantasia went and powervoted for Diana to spite the judges. If nothing else, it made even more people resent Fantasia... and it's not her fault! The soundsystem thing absolutely and utterly sucks for Diana... there'll probably be some legal action if Fantasia wins this!
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Post by Duh on May 27, 2004 12:20:19 GMT 10
I don't know if I'm over simplfying things, but do you think the judges are saying that Fantasia is better than Diana, because she is?? Within five seconds of her starting to sing in her heat of the top 32 (which was the first heat) I thought she was the winner, and this was without hearing anyone else. I think she offers a unique tone and just sounds really good. Sorry I don't have a musical background, but I know what I like. I don't think Diana is bad. My opinion is that mostly she is pleasantly competant, but occasionally really nails a song and sounds great. If I was listening to the radio and a song of hers came on, I wouldn't switch stations, but I also wouldn't even consider buying her CD. In my view Fantasia is a potential superstar, and Diana is OK, and the judges are responding to their performances in this manner. I think its really simple. Mark Wow thank u Mark for the satiric piece above. It gives us an insight into the mind of evil Simon, though it reminds me of fatuous Molly Meldrum in Popstars. To think he can make up his mind for us within 5 seconds of her first performance on tv. , unbelievable, what an ego. What an insult to all other fans who also think their idol should win or Fantasia voice sounds quacky or irritating to them. 'Sorry I don't have a musical background, but I know what I like.' just like what Simon says, wow. Its really that simple. btw, have you thought of auditioning for Idol 2 judge or become a record producer.
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Post by Foxbat on May 27, 2004 13:14:42 GMT 10
I'm in agreement here. The judges are overpushing Fantasia because they think she is that good. Why would they bother pushing her if she's not that marketable in the pop scene (Diana), not adorable (Jasmine), not a stellar Whitney singer (La Toya), not got the sweet personality (George)? She has everything against her in terms of being a cash making machine, except what the judges and her fans see. I've downloaded the two versions of 'I Believe'. Both were great - I thought Fantasia sounded more Tina Turner and passionately earthy than anything, whereas Diana sounded pure and powerful. Fantasia's had more emotional depth and it comes purely from her background. It's an advantage that she's experienced more hardship in life because it comes out in her singing - whereas Diana's been pretty privileged, so it just lacks that rawness - plus Diana's style is more polished in general. Diana's sounds sort of professional, whereas Fantasia's is almost gutteral... and I love that. But there's a huge difference between a live performance and a recording. Diana will sound better on recording compared to her performance, and Fantasia will sound worse. I think Fantasia needs to be experienced live for the full impact. I believe (no pun intended ;D) that Fantasia's tears are real. It's the final 2 - they're singing about making their dreams come true... they're gonna feel it! I know how she feels because I'm a crybaby too - anything, sentiment (that's not too cheesy), a parting farewell, a beautiful song, Disney movies - I cry at anything. Camile was like that too, and it appears that Fantasia's a softy under her sass - plus she's 19. As for the judge's comments, I can see how they'd make Diana fans get all steamed up, but the only thing you can do is gag the judges or write hundreds of angry letters to Fox. But it's working against Fantasia anyway.. from what I've seen, the people who are ambivalent or have mild dislike for Fantasia went and powervoted for Diana to spite the judges. If nothing else, it made even more people resent Fantasia... and it's not her fault! The soundsystem thing absolutely and utterly sucks for Diana... there'll probably be some legal action if Fantasia wins this! A well weighed argument SC, but the fact is there was never a even playing field for the finals, so Fantasia may win by default. Imagine singing deaf to the music! As for powervoting , this is not allowed by the producers. If you mean voting for full 2 hrs, mostly everybody do that; if they get through. Still theres no firm indication the extent of any protest votes, its only conjecture. I am suprised that the judges are pushing for a not so marketable star if thats what you meant! Yes I agree this years finale will be cloaked in controversy no matter who wins.The margin as Puala says is 1% , so it is inescapable that Diana's fans will feel cheated given the background.
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Post by superc on May 27, 2004 13:47:37 GMT 10
Yes, the final song was unfair for Diana. I wonder how that will be played out... will there be legal action considering the margin was so small? (although 1% of millions of votes still means a 10,000+ difference).
I hope the producers realise what a star Diana could be and sign her up.
True the backlash voting might not be enough to affect the voting, but it does turn people off Fantasia. Some people will now be determined not to give her a chance. Alot of the Fantasia dislike (from what I've read on forums anyway) appears to be rooted in a grudge, and the judge's pandering just makes that grudge worse.
I actually was arguing that Fantasia isn't marketable to the masses. She doesn't fit the mould. Though I didn't like Jasmine much, I think she was the one who fit the mould of the pop star with mass appeal - sweet, sexy, nice voice... she just needed to improve her technique on faster songs.
I always saw Fantasia as a niche artist with a smaller proportion of very devoted fans - the type who will have a long-term, steady career. I think the producers and the judges (and her fans) see that - she's a real honest to goodness, old-fashioned star. Not a multi-million-selling, modern one. It'll be interesting to see how well (or badly) she sells.
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Post by Mark on May 27, 2004 14:44:31 GMT 10
Duh
You are either being aggressive and insulting just for the sake of it, or really just didn't understand my point.
When I first heard Fantasia my immediate reaction (yes, after just 5 seconds of singing) was "Wow, she is so good she is going to win the competition". I didn't follow her to the exclusion of all of the others, I was perfectly open to changing my opinion if someone else was better, but in my view no one else was close.
I don't claim to know of or understand all of the technical nuances, but I do know what I like and have an opinion as does everyone else. That's really what this type of facility is for.
My point was that in my opinion, right from the start, it was very clear that Fantasia was better than the rest, the judges appear to have been of the same opinion and made the comments accordingly.
You seem to have either read too much into my post or are just upset that your favourite didn't do as well as you would have liked.
Mark
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Post by Duh on May 27, 2004 14:52:37 GMT 10
Duh You are either being aggressive and insulting just for the sake of it, or really just didn't understand my point. When I first heard Fantasia my immediate reaction (yes, after just 5 seconds of singing) was "Wow, she is so good she is going to win the competition". I didn't follow her to the exclusion of all of the others, I was perfectly open to changing my opinion if someone else was better, but in my view no one else was close. I don't claim to know of or understand all of the technical nuances, but I do know what I like and have an opinion as does everyone else. That's really what this type of facility is for. My point was that in my opinion, right from the start, it was very clear that Fantasia was better than the rest, the judges appear to have been of the same opinion and made the comments accordingly. You seem to have either read too much into my post or are just upset that your favourite didn't do as well as you would have liked. Mark I stand by my response. Maybe you should have posted in Fantasia or Diana thread. Your stated personal preference does not add to the thread's debate.
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