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Post by frogo thankful on Jun 17, 2005 12:43:58 GMT 10
Dearest Leebella
Thank you for this compassionate and thoughtful post. Strangely enough I woke up this morning wanting to write something that might put an end to this. You have done it for us.
I had no idea it was you who moved the threads. It had occurred to me it might have been Bo in co-operation with the mj posters, but that soon showed to not be the case. The subject of Michael Jackson is a highly emotive one and will continue to be. It is so sad that Bo's act of kindness led to all this.
However, the person I am saddest for is 15 yr old Gary Aviso. What is going to happen to that poor boy now. He barely gets a mention and my heart goes out to him?
There are deep divisions between the 2 groups of people involved, not all to do with MJ threads. I don't see that they can be resolved - too much pain caused -
however -
It's time to move on and concentrate on all the good things in our lives. - like the music and person who brought us here. The beautiful Guy Sebastian, loving friends and the fact that the sun comes up every day etc......
Thank you Leebella. I am so glad you are here.
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Post by leebella on Jun 17, 2005 12:53:30 GMT 10
That's exactly right-- thank you for realising how sad and malicious your actions were. And when we needed the support the most we were told to get lost. I definately felt the love. The true friendship was shown with those members accepting our extended interests and posted support msgs in our thread-till the very end. I requested the thread be relocated (not deleted as some wanted) only after the court case was finished - you are still free to post as you wish in the thread. I have been upfront and honest in my actions. I am not a malicious person. I have not posted a message of support because of personal reasons which I don't wish to go in to here. There are members on this board who have been though abuse in their childhood and find the whole subject matter very difficult. So when you talk of true friendships could you also consider their prospective as I have done. Thank you
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Post by leebella on Jun 17, 2005 13:00:18 GMT 10
Dearest Leebella Thank you for this compassionate and thoughtful post. Strangely enough I woke up this morning wanting to write something that might put an end to this. You have done it for us. I had no idea it was you who moved the threads. It had occurred to me it might have been Bo in co-operation with the mj posters, but that soon showed to not be the case. The subject of Michael Jackson is a highly emotive one and will continue to be. It is so sad that Bo's act of kindness led to all this. However, the person I am saddest for is 15 yr old Gary Aviso. What is going to happen to that poor boy now. He barely gets a mention and my heart goes out to him? There are deep divisions between the 2 groups of people involved, not all to do with MJ threads. I don't see that they can be resolved - too much pain caused - however - It's time to move on and concentrate on all the good things in our lives. - like the music and person who brought us here. The beautiful Guy Sebastian, loving friends and the fact that the sun comes up every day etc...... Thank you Leebella. I am so glad you are here. Awww Frogo Thank you for your kind words and most importantly your understanding. I agree with you - it's time to move on and continue with our Beautiful Life . Much love to you and I'm glad you have returned to us Leebella
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Post by thespark on Jun 17, 2005 13:23:53 GMT 10
My heart goes out to the kids- cus they have been taught all the wrong things in their childhood: To lie. To cheat and to be disrespectful to the elders.
Could you please realise you dont know what we've been through either and why we have chosen to support an adult who has been physically abused as a child and not a family who mocks the seriousness of sexual molestation, harrassment etc.
I would hope noone ever accuses GUY of false allegations- beacuse it could happen to anyone.
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Post by thespark on Jun 17, 2005 13:26:32 GMT 10
Well that's positive!!!
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Post by Anna on Jun 17, 2005 14:30:43 GMT 10
Let's all remember that it is just a thread, and this is just a message board... the fact that people put so much energy into getting a thread moved because it didn't feel the criteria... well i dont think i need to tell you how pathetic that really is...
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Post by Anna on Jun 17, 2005 14:32:44 GMT 10
How sad could you possibly be if you don't even know his correct name!?
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Post by Jess on Jun 17, 2005 14:35:33 GMT 10
Look, let me just be really clear; I'm completely ok with the thread being moved after the verdict.
But we both KNOW that the nastiness began before the verdict, at the time when we really needed the support most, everyone jumped on our freaking backs, posting nasty pictures of Michael, telling us under guest names that he deserved to be convicted, telling us he wasnt innocent and even if he was cleared didn't mean he was innocent (well then wtf does it mean then?), we had people arguing with us when we were all so frigging devastated that our hero (on the same level of Guy to you) was looking at LOSING his damned life.
Cruel and insensitive.
Don't you dare try to use that. DON'T even use that. Don't even bring that up. It always offends me when someone tries to use that. You don't even know what past we've had, no inkling of an idea. Just because we can see someone is innocent of a crime so heinous doesn't mean nothing like that has ever occured to a Michael Jackson fan. Trust me, you don't want me to open that can of worms. I HATE it when people use that bs. You don't KNOW what we have been through.
What's going to happen to GAVIN Arviso? Let me clear that one right up for you while I'm crying a river for the little creep. Just like Jordan Chandler, he'll write a book, his mother will write a book, they will attempt to persue a civil case against Michael and probably they'll lose. And why? Because they're lying little thieves and it's not the first time that they've commited fraud and false accusations against a person -- it's something he does, almost like a day job. Poor little thing, how hard it will be when he writes a book and rolls around in the royalties as a result of his lies. In no less than 3 short years, he can go on living his life in oblivion the rest of the world will remember him as that "poor little kid who got caught up in the crazy wacky world of Michael Jackson the almost-paedo, probably is, but never proven" and while Michael walks away from this with his entire LIFE, reputation and physical strength in shatters, Gavin will live the rest of his life happy and free. How hard it will be for him -- as if he didn't know what he was doing to the man that he admitted SAVED HIS LIFE from cancer.
My heart is bleeding. Absolutely bleeding. Poor, poor misguided, naive, taken-for-a-ride, Gavin Arviso.
Trust me when I say this, apart from Michael's legal team, no one followed this case more closely than Michael Jackson's fans. Michael won. He's innocent and justly so. I can sleep soundly at night knowing that the truth prevailed.
You know what? It doesn't matter, I'm ready to call it a day at this forum anyhow. While truth prevailed for us, nastiness prevailed at this forum (and I'm not even referring to this thread). Good on you. You won.
Toorah.
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Post by Chikky La La on Jun 17, 2005 22:11:36 GMT 10
If people had such a HUGE problem with this thread being in the Guy section, why didn't they say so when it was FIRST POSTED? Why was such horrible posts for it to be moved only started when it was almost the end of the trial? When people were going through a really rough week waiting for the verdict, having not much sleep. Why was it only THEN brought up that the thread wasn't meant to be there? Yes, Bo started this as an act of friendship and support. What I find sad is that Bo was really the only one who SHOWED that support. Where were you and others when the Michael fans needed that support? Oh wait, thats right. All of you were there, complaining and asking the thread to be moved... Yeah, thats great support. I'm sure all the Michael fans just felt the love flowing from you all.... I don't think any of this "discussing" was caused because the thread was moved. I actually think that it was caused because it was asked to be moved at the wrong time. As I said before, why wasn't it asked to be moved when the thread got to like 10 pages? WHY did people wait till the very last week to complain and make horrid remarks about Michael & offending the Michael fans? Yeah, it was. AFTER the poll, the complaints, the rude remarks on Michael and on fans of his. Yeah, but I guess cause it was moved after the verdict it makes all that stuff fine, hey! What the? It wasn't because of Bo's act of kindness that it 'led to all this!' It was because of people who just HAD to complain about one thread in a Guy section. It was cause people just couldn't wait till AFTER the trial was officially over. It was cause people just love to complain and pick on a specific Michael fan. Bo has absolutely nothing to do with what has happened. The only thing she has done is been a "beautiful friend" to the MJ fans. Being supportive and there when the michael fans needed her. Yep, it was an act of kindness by Bo. But it did NOT lead to what has happened.
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Post by Not again on Jun 18, 2005 8:38:28 GMT 10
I can't believe this is happening again. I moved away from Guy's Yahoo forum because of their unwillingness to accept that some Guy fans do not have blinkers permanently attached to their eyes- sometimes we may not like something Guy did, or, heaven forbid, we might actually support an another artist as well or have other interests outside the Guy world. It became very clear, very quickly that these were not acceptable on the forum.
So I came over here and began to read posts and get the feel of the place. I posted occasionally as a guest because I am a guest- not a member at the moment. I was thrilled to see the relaxed nature of this board. I laughed at the ridiculous 'pants' and 'butt' thread and cried in the MJ thread. I was so happy to see that this was , not necessarily a Guy board, but a board where people who have a common interest (which is undoubtedly Guy) can get together, form friendships, support Guy, but more importantly support each other in what ever way their life demands. And it makes different demands on different people- that's life. This was the case for a while- or at least that's how it appeared to me. But now, it looks like that this is all gone.
The saddest part of this whole story is that those who are "controlling" the board (and I don't mean the mod) need to realise is that not everything can always be about Guy. There are other important things in people's lives at different times- and by censoring them or making them feel unwelcome or whatever, then you will be pushing more people away than you are gaining new fans for Guy. It is a small minority of people who can dedicate their whole life to Guy, but this minority cannot, because of the number of you, make Guy the national and international star that he deserves. Guy, as any artist, needs all the fans he can get. Don't alienate people because of their other interests or their desire to express their opinions- don't become another Yahoo. A board where nothing but Guy is allowed will never have a huge following- is this what you want for Guy or for yourselves?
Before the onslaught of "how can you call yourself a fan?" or "don't hide behind the guise of a guest" let me reaffirm that I am a Guy fan. I've been to 7 concerts- hardly the behaviour of a mediocre fan. Also, I AM a guest at the moment- haven't become a member yet. Given what I've just posted and by the observations that I've made I'm not sure if my membership and contributions would be welcome in a place like this anymore.
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Post by to not again on Jun 18, 2005 10:03:04 GMT 10
Before the onslaught of "how can you call yourself a fan?" or "don't hide behind the guise of a guest" let me reaffirm that I am a Guy fan. I've been to 7 concerts- hardly the behaviour of a mediocre fan. You do not have to prove anything to anyone. You know what is in your heart. You are valued. Your contribution, your feelings, your thoughts, your desires, your needs, your opinions are valued. Some may not agree with you. That is okay. None of us can live by the opinions or feelings of the many (or the few) around us. We would perish. Hard times always pass to reveal a bright light.
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Post by Chikky La La on Jun 18, 2005 19:07:24 GMT 10
I totally agree!! And it looks like it's already started...
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Post by really on Jun 22, 2005 14:49:21 GMT 10
It's funny how the MJ thread has been one of the most successful threads in history on the Guy Sebastian forum.... Hmm I wonder what Guy would rather see, a thread about trying to get back his black t-shirt, reading nonsense about someones first kiss, useless "i'm bored" threads or a thread that united fans to support a fellow artist... I know which one I'd pick. How is a thread that basically three people contributed to the most successful thread on the board??
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Post by sandmangeorge on Sept 4, 2005 23:08:29 GMT 10
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